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Interview: Camille Paglia on Alfred Hitchcock

Following the recent celebration of film director Alfred Hitchcock at London's BFI, DIVA hooked up with the provocative professor

Jane Czyzselska

Mon, 10 Sep 2012 16:23:43 GMT | Updated today

Enduring film legend Alfred Hitchock is considered one of our finest directors. Professor of the Humanities and Media Studies Camille Paglia is a fan. During her exhaustive and thoroughly entertaining lecture on the man some decry as misogynist at last month's BFI celebration, she talked about his attention to detail and how integral it was to the narrative arc of his movies as well as commenting on how his subtle use of gender play, why she considers Mad Men to be a big yawn and how he tricked the Hollywood censors.

 

DIVA: You seemed to be saying that you were sad about the death of symbolism and non-verbal narrative in contemporary film which has occurred since Hitchcock's heyday. What do you feel we gain with symbolism and lose with immediacy in film?

 

Camille Paglia: What I love about Hitchcock is his keen sense of body language-gesture, facial expressions, reaction, choreography.  He began his career in the 1920s in silent films in London, and in my opinion, some of his greatest scenes, which often have no dialogue, retain that contemplative quality of silent film.  Immediacy, to use your word, is part of the heritage of improvisational cinema of the late 1950s and '60s-from the hand-held camera of Jean-Luc Godard to the experimental, seedy, live-action scenarios of Andy Warhol or Stan Brakhage.  Too many of today's films pretend to immediacy and are in fact just riddled with tiresome visual clichés.  Directors are too self-conscious about being hip.  So there is very little authentic power of social observation.  Artistic energy has shifted to computer animation and big-budget action-adventure or science-fiction films.

 

Since we seem to be heading towards a new era of cultural/moral conservatism do you think we might see a resurgence of this approach to film narrative?

 

CP: I don't agree with the polarity of Left versus Right or liberal versus conservative.  I think these are old and outdated terms that need to be revised or discarded.  People act as if they are eternal categories that came down from Jehovah on Mount Sinai, but they only emerged after the French Revolution. What I do see in history is an oscillation between tradition and innovation, with innovation sometimes going so far that people become disconnected and disoriented.  Then there is a revival of tradition, through which people rediscover their own cultural identity.  I say in my new book, Glittering Images, that the avant-garde is dead-it was killed 40 years ago by Pop art, thanks to my hero, Andy Warhol, who absorbed commercial themes and production methods into the fine arts.  I wrote an article about "the artistic dynamics of revival" for the Modern Review in England in 1994-it's reprinted in my essay collection, Vamps & Tramps.

 

You said Mad Men's Joan has nothing on Janet Leigh in Psycho in her role as a seductress and it sounds as if you consider Mad Men to be historically revisionist. Why do you think the programme makers might be interested in selling us this particular version of the 1950s/60s?

 

CP: It's just simple ineptitude-lack of that acute power of social observation that Hitchcock had in spades.  Before making Psycho, he sent a crew to Phoenix, Arizona to photograph exactly what young secretaries were wearing and the kinds of rooms they lived in.  So what we're seeing in Psycho is as accurate as a Courbet painting of French peasants hacking rocks.  But beyond that, Janet Leigh is magnificent in her muted, understated performance, precisely capturing the decorous mask and sexual repression of that period.  Mad Men is a snarky mess-an anachronistic extrapolation of contemporary assumptions backwards in time.  I have never been able to watch Mad Men for more than two minutes before snorting in disgust and switching the channel.  I lived through that period, and believe me, there's nothing about that show-from the costumes to the décor to the manners-that resembles the reality.  There's more authenticity in a Doris Day and Rock Hudson bedroom farce.

 

I agree with your view that the web can be a visually impoverished medium and that you cannot develop the eye until it is still - can you say more about this? And how you believe Hitchcock's films can help in this endeavour?

 

CP: I love the Web and embraced it from the start.  For example, I was one of the co-founding contributors of Salon.com in 1995, when the Web was still scorned by most journalists.  But Web design has not kept pace with the radical expansion of this medium.  There are very few major newspaper sites, for example, that are elegantly or forcefully designed.  On the contrary, everything is tiny and crammed or winking, popping, and blinking.  Our eyes and brains have adjusted-and more's the pity!  So many great directors-from Carl Dreyer and Cecil B. DeMille to Alfred Hitchcock and Ingmar Bergman-were inspired by classic paintings.  Film makers used to let the eye LINGER on the almost sculptural figures on screen.  That slow, majestic pace produces almost a state of trance.  Well, that artistic world is over!  We're deluged in fragments-random bits flying at us from every direction.  I don't know how ambitious young artists will ever learn how to construct important statements from this flux of trivia that they're immersed in every day.

 

You talked about fashion in Hitchcock's films, about his obsession with his female stars' clothes and your belief that fashion is an art form. I love fashion too but I wonder if you see a tension here with the burden that is placed on women to constantly be on display?

 

CP: I adore fashion, but I am not fashionable myself.  It's a tremendous art form that has flourished in every important culture, from ancient Egypt and Babylon to imperial China and Japan.  In my reading of history, the beautiful, fashionable woman symbolizes civilization itself.  She is at her maximum power and style during periods of relative peace and prosperity.  Please see, for example, Gone with the Wind, where Scarlett O'Hara's Southern belle perfection gets tossed to the wolves after the disaster of a lost war and the subsequent economic collapse.  All of a sudden it's calloused hands and gowns thrown together from green-velvet window drapes!  Yes, women are currently the focus of fashion, but that is part of the heavy heritage of the industrialized Victorian period, when men were suddenly forced into boringly uniform black suits and hats, like undertakers.  My generation of the 1960s had a brief period of male dandyism-thanks to the cheeky splendors of Mod London-but it all went away again.  Women should moderate their complaints by sympathizing with the rigid strictures placed on male dress today.  A guy has to turn drag queen to enjoy bright colors and sensuous fabrics!  On the other hand, when I happen on a display of ultra-fashionable shoes-as I did at the Neiman-Marcus store at a suburban Philadelphia shopping mall a few days ago-and see that the grotesquely high-angled and probably crippling current models of Christian Louboutin are currently priced at as much as $6000 [3776 pounds], I have to say that something is going very wrong with our social priorities.

 

Conversely, you note the occasions (such as Grace Kelly in Rear Window where Grace wears boyish clothes at the end of the film) where gender role reversal occurs. Do you think Hitchcock was among the most observant of directors at the time in relation to gender-play?

 

CP: Hitchcock has been heavily criticized by feminist theorists for his reputed "misogyny"-partly based on his harsh treatment of some of his female characters (like the nude murder victim rolled around in a dusty potato truck in Frenzy) as well as his real-life leading ladies, like Tippi Hedren, who was subjected to near torture at times.  However, there are even more examples of Hitchcock's undercutting of conventional masculinity in his films, including numerous and very daring evocations of male homosexuality, such as in Rope and Strangers on a Train.  Scenes of male subordination or eclipse run throughout his major films such as Rear Window, Vertigo, and North by Northwest.

 

I liked what you said about being 'in this moment of diminished stardom with all these actors and their causes' - what is behind this trend and how would you have them behave?

 

CP: Truly charitable people do not publicize their charities-a point made even in the New Testament.  All this preachy grandstanding-that's not the way artists should conduct themselves.  Today's actors need more quiet self-cultivation and invisible observation of society and human interaction.  In the U.S., however, they're addicted to media attention.  Without the media, they don't exist.  Their agents and studios drive them to it-but without any the shaping skills of the old Hollywood studio system, which knew how to create and preserve stardom.  Great stars should retain a sense of mystery.  There's no mystery left, that's for sure!

 

And finally, purses/handbags! I loved what you said about them and how they represent different aspects of their owners' character. I've often seen them in Hitchcock's films as an allegory for the vulva but can you give a couple of examples (and their meanings) that readers can look out for in other Hitchcock films?

 

CP: The purse motif is at its height in Psycho, The Birds, and Marnie.  The purses are almost characters in themselves who deserve to be listed in the credits!  For example, Marion Crane starts out in Psycho with a white purse and a white brassiere, then shifts to a black purse and black brassiere when she steals the fateful $40,000.  In my 1998 book for the BFI on The Birds, I followed the adventures of Melanie Daniels' purse throughout the film.  She's always dragging that thing around, even in stressful situations where she should drop it!  There's only one moment (in the diner toward the end) where she forgets it, and a waitress has to run after her with it.  I think that's Hitchcock's signal that for the first time in her life, Melanie has transcended her own ego.  In Marnie, the vulval shape of the purse (particularly in the enigmatic rearward shot on a train platform) is absolutely blatant.  But Hitchcock also played that game with women's hairstyles-particularly the tightly spiraling blonde chignon sported by Kim Novak as the false Madeleine in Vertigo.  Despite sporadic efforts since the 1960s to promote man-bags, the fashion has never spread beyond gay men-whereas the women's purse and handbag departments of every major store remain a cornucopia of shapes, styles, and materials.  The purse is clearly some sort of obscure biomorphic symbol of women's secret, shadowy, womblike power!

 

Camille Paglia's new book Glittering Images - a journey through art from Egypt to Star Wars (Random House) is published in October

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